Docs: split builtins to their own page from library by nedbat · Pull Request #156682 · python/cpython

nedbat · 2026-08-30T20:07:36Z

We've talked about separating the built-ins from the stdlib modules, since "dict" (for example) isn't part of the stdlib.

I think I took care of all the places the pages are referenced, but the non-HTML builds are new to me, so I might have missed something.

I tried to make the intro paragraphs and pages useful, and avoided over-editing them.

nedbat · 2026-08-30T20:11:51Z

Also: is this NEWS-worthy?

StanFromIreland · 2026-08-30T20:12:50Z

Also: is this NEWS-worthy?

I don't see a need for one here, I think the docs speak for themselves.

read-the-docs-community · 2026-08-30T20:14:40Z

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hugovk

Shall we name the new Doc/library/builtin-index.rst as Doc/builtins/index.rst instead?

Then instead of:

https://docs.python.org/3/library/builtins-index.html

We get a neater:

This PR can still reference the builtin stuff in their current location, and a followup could move the relevant files and deal with redirects:

Doc/library/functions.rst -> Doc/builtins/functions.rst
Doc/library/stdtypes.rst -> Doc/builtins/stdtypes.rst
Doc/library/constants.rst -> Doc/builtins/constants.rst
Doc/library/exceptions.rst -> Doc/builtins/exceptions.rst
Doc/library/threadsafety.rst -> Doc/builtins/threadsafety.rst
Doc/library/time-complexity.rst -> Doc/builtins/time-complexity.rst

StanFromIreland

Also, you need to update the What Now? page in the tutorial.

I concur with Hugo, splitting this into a separate directory would be nicer. We can do redirects at client side (using one of the various Sphinx extensions) or sever side (by configuring them in python/psf-salt).

nedbat · 2026-08-31T17:55:49Z

I can do the renames and redirects.

We can do redirects at client side (using one of the various Sphinx extensions) or sever side (by configuring them in python/psf-salt).

What Sphinx extension have we used for redirects before? I see https://github.com/python/psf-salt/blob/main/salt/docs/config/nginx.docs-redirects.conf for the psf-salt approach.

StanFromIreland · 2026-08-31T18:17:41Z

What Sphinx extension have we used for redirects before?

We use sphinxext-rediraffe in the Devguide, it generates stubs with some JS to redirect to the new page.

nedbat · 2026-08-31T18:26:52Z

What Sphinx extension have we used for redirects before?

We use sphinxext-rediraffe in the Devguide, it generates stubs with some JS to redirect to the new page.

I knew rediraffe was somewhere! Is there a reason we don't want to introduce it for the main docs?

StanFromIreland · 2026-08-31T18:30:35Z

Is there a reason we don't want to introduce it for the main docs?

I presume it's simply because there hasn't really been a need so far. We're less keen to move pages here than in the Devguide. IIRC rediraffe requires JS, but that ship has sailed anyway.

hugovk · 2026-09-01T11:16:14Z

Server-side psf-salt redirects would be better than client-side sphinxext-rediraffe: they work with JavaScript disabled (better for all the scrapers and bots), are faster on server-side (HTTP layer before any HTML fetched), and get cached in the CDN, and better for SEO.

We don't have such server-side control for the devguide, which is hosted on GitHub Pages. (Also I'd say client-side JS redirects are fine for the less-important devguide.)

nedbat · 2026-09-01T12:50:23Z

That all makes sense. Do we have a way to coordinate the updates to psf-salt with updates to the docs, especially with backports involved?

StanFromIreland · 2026-09-01T15:10:08Z

(There's no documented process I'm afraid) You can open a PR there and limit the redirect to specific Python versions. I can review and merge when we land this.

nedbat · 2026-09-02T12:29:49Z

Moving pages causes the "removed HTML IDs" check to fail. The IDs aren't gone, they are in a different page. Do I still add them to removed-ids.txt?

StanFromIreland · 2026-09-02T12:40:20Z

Do I still add them to removed-ids.txt?

Yes, see the line with an asyncio file for the required format.

nedbat · 2026-09-10T23:19:13Z

I think this is done.

StanFromIreland · 2026-09-11T06:47:06Z

@nedbat can you please avoid force pushing, it makes it a little harder to review. See also the section in the Devguide.

nedbat · 2026-09-11T10:22:20Z

sorry, a habit from other repos.

merwok · 2026-09-11T11:13:23Z

+learning about random subjects, you choose a random page
+and read a section or two.  Regardless of the order in which you
+read the sections of this manual, it helps to first read
+:ref:`built-in-funcs` in :ref:`builtins-index`, as the remainder of this section


Is the second link required, if the first one already brings the reader to the right page?

(This reads to me like «Read Section A in Chapter 1», which is needed in books but not hypertext)

merwok · 2026-09-11T11:14:39Z

+
+.. seealso::

-Let the show begin!


Wasn’t this was harmless and a bit of flair?

merwok · 2026-09-11T11:17:05Z

 browse the table of contents (in front of the manual), or look for a specific
 function, module or term in the index (in the back).  And finally, if you enjoy
-learning about random subjects, you choose a random page number (see module
-:mod:`random`) and read a section or two.  Regardless of the order in which you


Why not keep the random module link as an example of a random page? (and/or maybe a hint about a way to make random decision!)

Not fully sure what the original intent was here, but as we are in Library Reference and not Tutorial I don’t think the link was bad. Can you say why you removed it?

merwok · 2026-09-11T11:18:04Z

-in to the Python interpreter; others are written in Python and imported in
+The Python standard library consists of a collection of modules. There are
+many ways to dissect this collection.  Some modules are written in C and compiled
+into the Python interpreter; others are written in Python and imported in


Should we say that some modules are written in C and compiled to importable modules, or is it confusing at this point?

encukou · 2026-09-11T11:14:36Z

                    self.__ids.add(value)


 def get_ids_from_file(path):


Consider avoiding some duplicate work here:

Suggested change

@functools.cache

def get_ids_from_file(path):

StanFromIreland

Overall looks good to me, although this will break quite a lot of translations, so please post an announcement in the Translations category of Discourse so that translators can recover them.

hugovk · 2026-09-11T18:14:59Z

 - If parsing fails completely (no rule succeeds in parsing all the input text), the
  PEG parser doesn't have a concept of "where the
-  [`SyntaxError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#SyntaxError) is".
+  [`SyntaxError`](https://docs.python.org/3/builtins/exceptions.html#SyntaxError) is".


Noting this (and similar */3/builtins/* links) will be 404 until the backports are done.

Would it be better to leave the old URLs and let the redirects handle it?

willingc

Overall, I like this @nedbat. I flagged a couple of places that rewriting the prose to be more direct may help the reader.

Thanks for doing this.

willingc · 2026-09-11T22:42:00Z

+semantics of the Python language, and :ref:`builtins-index` describes
+the built-ins, this library reference manual


With this addition of built-ins, it makes sense to rewrite this paragraph. I think it would be preferable to order the paragraph more directly:

State that "This library reference manual describes the standard library that is ...distributions."

Simplify the "While..." clause to state directly that the reference index and builtins index.

willingc · 2026-09-11T22:45:04Z

 language. It is terse, but attempts to be exact and complete. The semantics of
-non-essential built-in object types and of the built-in functions and modules
-are described in :ref:`library-index`. For an informal introduction to the
+built-in object types and of the built-in functions and modules


Maybe "standard library modules"

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nedbat added 15 commits September 10, 2026 18:42

Docs: split builtins to their own page from library

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review feedback

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addressed Hugo's feedback

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update the What's Next page

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one more wording tweak

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move builtins to their own directory. fix the reference name

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moved pages need to be noted in tools/removed-ids.txt

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add Python to the builtins reference title

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add sphinxext-rediraffe for the library->builtins split

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update check-html-ids to handle rediraffe redirects

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now we don't need (page missing) for the redirected pages

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update other references to moved pages

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A seealso from builtins to library

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make a nice section for rediraffe settings

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move the builtins note to the end, as a seealso

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